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Post by Koobok on Mar 1, 2004 11:19:06 GMT -7
oh yeah soong... rents due again i'm tired o da mans taking our monies.
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Post by Soong on Mar 1, 2004 15:03:02 GMT -7
Yes. rent Tonight my Tactition...We PAY the RENT!
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Post by Dalmar on Mar 15, 2006 0:00:03 GMT -7
why not just barsh da pinkie?
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Post by templar on Jan 13, 2009 17:07:52 GMT -7
Is this site linked to the main board? Is this site linked to any other similar boards? If it is are they as heavy in traffic and is this link easy to locate and accessible in those areas?
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Post by Crynolyn on Jan 13, 2009 18:03:43 GMT -7
Dude, You're posting on a thread that is nearly 3 years old... and another 3 years old before that.
The Dagorhir National site does not allow me to link this message board, I tried that a looooong time ago. This message board is however linked from other swordfighting sites.
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Post by templar on Jan 14, 2009 10:18:39 GMT -7
regardless of the age of the thread.... Perhaps if the moderation was more open to the idea of thread and site activity there would perhaps be more activity on the site as a whole? I guess then the question arises...why would they not let you link the site? Do they not want membership activity, growth and communication? Or perhaps they are thinking this should be more like a "selective" memberships based organization? I mean after all it goes against part of the premise of the rules for the foundation of Dagorhir organization. And actually this web page or a facsimile of is linked. www.geocities.com/mordorarmy/
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Post by Crynolyn on Jan 14, 2009 15:19:58 GMT -7
You're not familiar with Dagorhir politics are you ? Sometimes ignorance is bliss, but I think everyone needs to know what is going on here. There is too much misinformation floating around. This is a long story. I will try to make it short. In 2001 Dagorhir split. Belegarth was created by a group of fighters who wanted to have a voice in how their game was run. belegarth was founded as a republic. Checks and balances were put in place. The Board of Directors is elected by Realms. New rules are voted in by Realms. Their message board allows people to post about other games all they want. Freedom of speech, it's a wonderful thing. Dagorhir is run by a small group of veteran fighters. Nobody gets to vote on who runs Dagorhir. Dagorhir has copyrighted their name, and their rules. They send cease and desist orders to people who use dagorhir content , who haven't signed a dagorhir contract. The fighters of dagorhir have no say in how their message board is moderated. There are rules on their board that ban many things like, personal email addresses, phone numbers, MySpace pages, private messages, or links to any other message board. You are not allowed to mention other games on the dagorhir board. Many many good people have been banned from the dagorhir board for these "offenses". It's like nazi germany over there, people are afraid to complain about this stuff, for fear that they will also be banned. It's very sad. It reflects so poorly on the organization. The majority of Dagorhir does not agree with these strict rules. but the majority of Dagorhir has no say. Dagorhir is run by a few veterans, there are no checks or balances. And that is why I cannot post a link to this board on the Dagorhir board. Pathetic isn't it ? But I can still post links to it from MySpace, Facebook, and other websites that are not run by the DBGA. (Dagorhir Battle Game Association) When the power of love overcomes the love of power, Dagorhir and Belegarth will be at peace. It is still the same game. Many people still attend the events of both games. Many people are outraged and saddened by the split. The whole thing is just stupid. But our hands are tied. I still love Dagorhir very much. I consider myself an active member of both Dagorhir and Belegarth. There are many excellent people on both sides of the split. I do not agree with dag politics, but I'm not going to let that keep me from seeing all my awesome Dagorhir friends. Thanks for making it thru my tirade I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. www.dagorhir.com& www.belegarth.com
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Post by Yesh on Jan 14, 2009 15:26:04 GMT -7
I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Where are the strippers and booze?
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Post by Crynolyn on Jan 14, 2009 17:07:21 GMT -7
They're at the F-n Oasis dude ! 5 dance floors, palm trees, christmas lights, bathroom attendants, 2 story dance pole, waterfalls, plexiglass upper dance floor... it's like Vegas in Denver. 2 thumbs way up. $10 cover for men.
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Post by Yesh on Jan 14, 2009 17:29:00 GMT -7
We are SO there!
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Post by Soo Ma Tai on Jan 15, 2009 9:56:31 GMT -7
Cryn has asked me to relate my tales of Dag politics to y'all. So here you go.
I started foam fighting in '94 in the the Dagorhir realm of Dur-Demarion. I fought with them for nearly 2 yrs before real life took me away from Nashville. I spent the next 6 yrs or so with no Dag contact at all. Fast Foward to the year 2001....
In 2001 I, along with a few close friends founded the Dagorhir realm of Gorothannon in Missoula, MT. Right after I posted my char. history, which included mention of Dur-D. on the Dag MB's and was nearly instant banned, but I explained to Dom that I had no idea about any split etc. So they let it pass. Time passes and we as a realm hold three different events, all of which are attended by Belegarth fighters, but the only Dag fighters who come are from our own realm. We have been attending Belegarth events out west for three years, at this point.
Now at our first Chaos Wars, we were asked to sit in at War Council, even though we were a Dag realm. We were not only accepted at face value, but welcomed again and again. As we became more involved with our Belegarth friends, we were alienated more and more by the Dagorhir administration. When we became a voting realm of Belegarth, we were told that we needed to be either Dag or Bel, but not both, so we chose Belegarth over Dag. Primarily because they were the people who we fought with regularly, and that they accepted us even though our affiliation was with Dag, but Dag would not do the same.
So we cancelled our Dag contract and I really never posted in the Dag boards anymore for a long time. Not until recently anyhow, when a prominent member of the foamfighting community offered his LARP park up to Dag for free for their premier event as something of a peace offering. I posted this info over to their boards in hope this may at least create a forum for discussion on working together for the betterment of both games, but alas Dominus came along and locked the thread, then banned me.
I e-mailed Dominus as well as Erekose and Greymael several times to find out what rules I had actually broken to get banned, as well as to plead my cause, but never recieved any return e-mails. Thinking the e-mail system broken I let it go....until Dag switched to their new boards, at which point somehow the ban had been lifed. While reading some post there, I noticed a post Dominus had made about getting multiple @dag e-mails every day. So I made a few comments about why had I never been answered (I did call him an asshat, that was uncalled for, but I felt it at the time) After which I was not only banned, but I cannot even view the dag boards.
These have been my personal experiences with the Dagorhir Organization. This is not to say that many of the Dagorhir people are not great folks, like Crynolyn for one, but that the organization is bad, IMO. I love my friends among Dag, just not the politics.
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Post by templar on Jan 15, 2009 15:31:39 GMT -7
So you are saying that they wont link this board or organization...correct? Then why in the bloody hell if you go to this link..... www.dagorhir.com/chapters/index.htm .... you will find the link to this organization and this board? Seems to me maybe there is some healing going on and yet there are those that wish to continue the rift? Perhaps cooler heads need to previal and mediation might be the key? I myself would perfer that there was one umbrella organization that was a sole governing body and then layer it out under blanket rules and regs allowing for modification with in each layer to accommodate those individual needs. However when it became a two opponents from different regions they would fight under the governing body's legislation's and prior to conflict would meet upon a field of honor to establish those if any additional requirements and then agree upon them. If no agreement could then be reached then perhaps the fall back would be the set standard and both armies must abide by them in order to keep things fair and even. Of course everyone wants to modify the rules its human nature either to gain the edge over your opponent, satisfy some narcissistic need, or both. This type of thing should not be done on paper or in guidelines but in the human mind and create that advantage on the battlefield and then defeat your opponent by cunning in skill and tactics..not on paper. War progressed by such means because originally there were no said rules and look where we are now...not that it is all that great but these wars here in the dag real or Bel realm can and should still remain honorable as to following rules and guidelines but the stagnant human mind trying to win on pure laziness and revolting perhaps because they could not figure beyond more that what was implied or written and were forced into loss. Because of that they sought treachery and separation, fine so be it...it is there and now I would think in order to survive there should be some type of coming together. I would like to learn more about the causes and reasons other than those of trite persons and egos bruised or otherwise.
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Post by Yesh on Jan 15, 2009 16:19:44 GMT -7
Hmmm...don't know where you got the idea that Dagorhir links to this forum. The Mordor site it does link to doesn't link to this forum at all directly. You have to go to the site forum and then follow a link in a post to get to this forum.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 15, 2009 16:44:12 GMT -7
OMFG!! Soo, you are the man. I can't believe you called the big D that. I have been wanting to come out to one of your guys'events for a long time now, hopefully here soon. Templar take it from a 3rd perspective, the split and current rift is more because of bruised egos than anything else. I started around the same time as the split and didn't really know ANYTHING about it for almost 4 years. I had to go to Belegarth events and meet their people to start hearing and learning about it before I started actually paying attention. I wish I never had... If you look at the split as more of a fight between old friends than a split of an organization or anything like that then you wont be far off. I try to ignore those "higher end, old time" politics. The games are very similar and it's not hard to have equipment for both games... I love people from both games, they are like family if not more so than the real thing. What I am trying to say is it is more like hurt feelings between friends. It is best not to get involved or pay too much attention. There was an attempt to try to make peace, but it was squashed rather rapidly. That alone might give you insight into the subject, but most likely not. My advice, don't even worry about that old stuff. Just come out and fight with us Don't worry about this forum site not being linked to from the main page. It's politics, who cares? Right?
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Post by Soo Ma Tai on Jan 15, 2009 16:45:15 GMT -7
That link goes to the Mordor home page. The realm of Mordor is a Dagorhir realm. The Mordor homepage links to this board. Nothing will change between Dag and any other group until Dag backs off of their restrictive web policies and begins to promote foam fighting as a whole.
Want to know you can read this...http://www.romanempire.net/romepage/belegarth/ to get Dominus and the Dag organizations side of the split.
There is no equivalent version for Belegarth. From what I can tell, and IMO, Dagorhir is afraid that people will find other groups and other Organizations, and not come to them, and they are right, most anyone I know who has had dealings with more than dag, has chosen to go with the non-dag group. Mostly because Dag is so closed doored.
P.S. LK...come to chaos with Cryn, or anything else, we'll take good care of you if you get there.
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